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$12 Billion a year on the military, and no options???

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-22 07:34:28


Ok, i will 'flame' you as you said, about two years ago i knew absolutely nothing about Canada's military forces, but since I'm much more interested in the military (i'd be interested working there), I know several interesting facts.

Do you know how many 'real' soldiers we have? We have three brigades in the country which are full time regulars (Western, Quebec, Center) - Each of those brigades contains 3 battalions, and this is where our soldiers are, according to some definitions i found, a battalion consists of about 600-1000 soldiers, so in total we have about 5400-9000 soldiers, all other personnel of these brigades are support groups (engineering, artillery, police, etc)!!!

These people are normal people like us and need to see thier family, and according to deployment rules, there is about a 1:3 (or is it 1:2) time ratio for deployment, and between deployments, the soldiers must be at home with their families at least 12 months (or is it 18 months?)...

So if there is currently involvement in Afghanistan, it will be for at least a 12 month mission. Now its assumed that an entire brigade will be sent to Afganistan (~4000 people), either the Western or Quebec's brigade... With two rotations !! That means at least 2 out 3 brigades of Canada will be busy, and that means there is only one brigade left to defend Canada (probably the Center brigade will be kept in Canada - since it protects our Capital).

Now let us not forget that we have over 1000+ soldiers in Bosnia also, but i read somewhere they are mostly reservists, but once again, reservists also have the 1:3 or 1:2 rule, and reservist service abroad in non-emergencry situations is on a voluntary basis! We have i think also about 9 reservist brigades in Canada - but the chance of a full brigade of people who have jobs and family volunteering all of a sudden to go to Afghanistan is very very slim!! And you can't mix people of different brigades (its like a new job) just like that, it needs training etc...

So tell me from where we can get significant resources to deploy?


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$12 Billion a year on the military, and no options???

Contributor: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-22 11:23:23


You make some great point’s codc01. I've had this conversation with friends in the forces. There is room for plenty of adjustments; some are difficult decisions such as looking at what is useful and what is not. There are also the political concerns.

I am not proficient to give that sort of advice on this topic. Hence my Rumsfield suggestion. As for me, I don't have the time in the day to attempt to understand all the nuances of our military needs.

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$12 Billion a year on the military, and no options???

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-29 00:36:37


Your Rumsfield suggestion was the one that bothered me; We do not need or want any foreign interference in our military. Any Canadian military troops ; if they are available; can only enter Iraq if Iraq is under UN control.

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$12 Billion a year on the military, and no options???

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-28 17:50:20


From Cyberpresse:
"Le Canada sera le pays ayant «le plus gros engagement envers l'Afghanistan avec des troupes de 1500 à 2000 hommes pour une période de six mois à partir d'août et le même nombre pour les six mois suivants», a "

Thats what i expected, i think about two brigades will be sent, each with a 6 month rotation calendar...

Our soldiers will be quite busy!

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