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Conclusion: Le monde que nous souhaitons

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-09 13:04:50


copy and paste this into your address bar...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030409/capt.1049901490.war_us_iraq_northern_front_sulf102.jpg



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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-09 15:51:49


I know this post was not for me, but i had to comment ...

I'm happy that the Iraqi people will now be free and suffer less, but it does not change the fact that the war is illegal, and i am opposed to it by principle ...

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-09 21:15:32


Well codc01, you have been consistent, I have to respect that.

I know you have said it before but could you explain again the process as to why you still see this war as illegal? Is it the pre-emptive part, U.N. part?

Oh, and the picture is certainly not for you. :)

Thanks.

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-10 14:21:09


The war is illegal because it was not approved by the UN, and was not a war of self-defence.

For those who strongly say some countries on the Security Council would veto anything, well i would say that the US should have brought this to the attention to the UN General Assembly, but i think they knew most countries would vote against the resolution, or would abstain.

Now, some people will say, that the UN is useless, and does not represent anything, this may partially true for the security council, but i really don't think this is the case of the General Assembly, they do represent all official governments of the world, and if some of these governments don't have a perfect track record, the General Assembly does represent the majority of the world population.

Once again, some people will say that the world population and world governments don't understand the US, well if someone goes down to this kind of reasoning, it means that they only
take the point of view of one country, and ignores the rest of the world.
(personally the kind of people who have this last kind of reasoning should not be allowed to de diplomats, otherwise it would make for a very scary world).

I'm not saying that the UN is perfect, far from it... It needs reform, but the underlying texts of international law are quite good in my opinion.

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-11 05:35:07


Another clarification, if the question is ever asked, i would still view this war as illegal even if Saddam now decided to use WMD's. Even though i would strongly condemn its usage.

But i fear that Saddam may now use them (if he did not destroy them). People of Iraq are now liberated, he decided not to die as a martyr, and he's cornered (if he is still alive). So the theory that he will go out with a big bang is now more prominent...

Several news outlets are now rejoicing, and are quite happy, but the war is not over yet. The US government is quite right in saying so.

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-11 08:55:15


Actually, the problem with the US working under UN auspices is that it must relinquish control to a bunch of beaureaucrats who are paid too much to blah, blah, blah without any connection to reality.

Any failure committed by the UN would be blamed on the US and would be paid for in US blood.

For example, UN sanctions on Iraq were blamed on the US.

The failure to rebuild Afghanistan instantly (like Folgers coffee crystals) is blamed on the US - even though the UN is the nation builder there.

It is absolutely false to say "that the world population and world governments don't understand the US, well if someone goes down to this kind of reasoning, it means that they only
take the point of view of one country, and ignores the rest of the world."

There are many countries, particularly those who have been recently freed of dictatorial yokes, that agree with US. Those who adore the security council think these countries either don't count or are, to use Chirac's language, "spoiled brat children states".

Other countries have waffled on Iraq for internal reasons. Specifically, Canada and Chile. Chile has a history with dictatorship and international justice that is quite unique and they should not be lumped in with France and Syria.

I think people who create the dichotomy of One country (US) and "The rest of the world" are people who should not be diplomats because they simply want to suppress the opinions of non-US countries that disagree with France.

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-11 14:43:33


I wonder if calling this war illegal is missing the point of Justice?

How do you see legality and Justice? Are they one in the same to you, or is one a process and the other a result?
(Keep in mind I'm a computer engineer not a lawyer) ;)

Before you reply, please read this link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html?ex=1050638400&en=ea21e8c88feae21c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

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Some comments on answers... (Afghanistan attack unjustified)...

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-12 13:33:28


You are talking with your heart, and i fully understand this. But someone's heart may be different to another's one.

If someone steals something because he is starving, it is still thievery - The laws were made for everyone to avoid chaos. The people who are currently looting Baghdad are doing it because they have nothing - so if you think with your heart, then you are right, even if they attack hospitals - but we simply cannot think like that, otherwise chaos would invade everywhere (including in Canada).

As i said in a previous post, i feel that if most nations of the world agree on laws, i must assume that these laws must be good (especially if those who created these laws are the US, Canada, UK, France, Japan)...

I do understand your point of view though.

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